Izithakazelo zakwa Hlatshwayo Clan Names and brief history

UMabhengeza(ta) , akekho uMbengeshe. UNgele noma Ngelemuthi, uNgelengele uHadebe.

We were originally Dlamini/Nkhosi.
The Hlatshwayo separated from the Nkhosi clan before Swazis were formed as a Nation. We then joined the Dlamini/Nkhosi again after the Swazi nation was formed. It was normal for clans to part ways and end up back together. To be historically accurate our clan came into being before the Swazi Nation was born, due to the Nguni and not Zulu wars, brothers were separated. Others went with Manukuza (Soshangana) Nxumalo to Moz to form the Gaza kingdom, while others were conquered and accepted Shaka’s overlordship and became amaZulu, while others still remembered ekhaya kwaNkhosi and joined the Swazi nation and became amaSwazi.
Less than two hundred years ago we were one.
Izibongo ezihlobene namaNgwanya:

Zikalala- both clans agree.

Nyalunga/Nyalungu/Mbethe/Mbetse- Hlatshwayos (in FB), disagree.

Personally I think the Mbethe/Nyalungu branch is definitely Hlatshwayo, formed by our brothers who left with Soshangane.

IMVELAPHI YEGAMA ELITHI HLATSHWAYO..
-uHlatshwayo wayengo wakwa Nkosi ebukhosini baseSwazini. Kwenzeka ukuthi omunye wabantwana basendlunkulu walala nodadewabo owayezalwa naye kunina.
Wayesethi ke yena umndeni wakubo umhlabile ngoba umfowabo ulale nodadewabo ngakho usezibiza ngokuthi unguHlatshwayo. Isizwe saqanjwa nguye uHlatshwayo njengoba esephuma emndenini wakhe kwaNkosi ngoba ehlatshiwe eqa imingcele yaseSwazini afike akanise phezu koPhongolo kanye nabafowabo. Kuyilapho esezozala uNgwanya.

(Another version)

UHlatshwayo uyena owenza isenzo esamenza wadatshulwa, waxoshwa negama lakhe lakhishwa olibeni (lineage) lomndenini wakwaNkosi. Wabaleka wabe eshintsha igama lakhe waba uHlatshwayo.

(Another version)
UHlatshwayo noNgwane bazalwa inkosi uLanga. UHlatshwayo owayeyizibulo wayengeke abe yinkosi ngokomthetho wamaSwazi ngakho wasuswa eduze kwenkosana wabekwa eLucolweni abanye bathi eNgongweni. Lokhu kwenzelwa ukuthi angabangisi uNgwane.

Igama likababa kaHlatshwayo alitholakali ngokugcwele, abanye ba uDlamini (don’t knw which one as there are 3), abanye bathi uLanga kaNkosi II.

AMAKHOSI NEMIZI YAWO-

1 Hlatshwayo-
–Mpalazane(umuzi)
2 Ngwanya—Ntamamhlop­­he(umuzi)
3 Cebisa-
–Nkunkunku(umuzi)
4 Sampekwane—KwaMabh­­eka(umuzi
)
5 Mhlaba1-
–Ezindeni(umuzi)
6 Mgogodlana–
-Entuluka(umuzi)
7 Siyendane-
–Ohlanyeni(umuzi) Ndonsamehlo(umuzi)
8 Mleshe-
–Epulazini(Mkhunyan­­e)
9 Mhlaba2-
–kwaHhohho(umuzi)
10 Mhlangano—KwaSokes­­imbone(uwuzi)
11 Thulanimangwanya kaMhlangano—KwaSok­­esimbone
12 Fipha kaMhlangano—kwaSok­­esimbone

Indlunkulu yamaHayise:
Langa
Hlatshwayo
Sophekwane/ Sompekwane
Cebisa
Ngwanya
Mhlaba I
Mgogodlane I
Siyendane.
Muleshe.
Mhlaba II.
Mgogodlane II (eSwazini)

Indlu yase Bergville:
Makwelela ka Mgogodlana1
Shali ka Makwelela
Novoyi ka Shali(Somtseu)
Siphiwe kaNovoyi
Thulani ka Siphiwe

Indlu yesithathu:

Manukuza kaSiyendane
Mgezeni kaManukuza
Bambuhlanga kaMgezeni

Indlu yaseGege:
Mahubhu kaMuleshe
Velamuva kaMahubhu

Amakhosi abusayo namuhla:
-uFipha ePiet retief
-uVili eDumbe
-uFisukwazi eNondweni(Nquthu)
-UThulani eBergville,

Wonke amakhosi akwaNgwanya angawesende likaSiyendane kodwa laba baseBergville bazalwa uMakhwelela ongumfowabo kaSiyendane.

-USiyendane wadinwa ukuya eSwazini waphendula iminyango wayokhonza eSilweni samaZulu uMpande kaSenzangakhona, washo ke ukuthi akasayi ukuyokhonza eSwazini. UMpande wamxhoshisa ngezwe lakwaNgwanya ngaphesheya komfula uPhongolo kuya eDumbe (Paulpietersburg) liwele umfula uPhongolo ligudle kuMahamba lithathe iPiet Retief liphelele ezintabeni zaseMabola

IZITHAKAZELO

KZN:
-Hlatshwayo
-Ngwanya!
-Mhayise
-Mabhengeta
-Phuphu laNdaba namhla ngenandaba
-Mshunguza ayigwaze engayigwazeli yena ayigwazela amankengane
-UNgwanya kangakanani nasentendeni yesandla uyahlala nasothini lomkhonto anganela
-Cebisa elimhlophe

ESwazini:

Hlatshwayo.
Mhayise waNgwanya! Cebisa lomuhle ngekucebisa emakhosi.
Ngele yaboGama,
Siyendane
Mabhengeta
Phuph’ laNdaba namhla indaba ingesiyo yakho.
Vezi lelihle likaMswayini, Khobobo
Masaphokati,
KaHlatshwayo akuvalwa ngemivalo kuvalwa ngemakhandz’ emadvodza. Mgogodlan’ owavel’ eziphunzini!
Sibadla benjalo bosomconjwana.

Swazini2:

Hlatshwako,
Mhayise Mpangalala,
Ngwanya,
C­­ebis’amakhosi,
Mabhe­n­geta,
Siyendane,
Mgo­go­dlane,
Ngele waGama,
Gidza elugogweni,
Khoboka Khuzekhulu ,
Sibadla banjalo bosomconjwana,
Mashiyam­­ahle (isithopho)
Masaphokati,
Ka­H­latshwayo akuvalwa ngemivalo kuvalwangema khandza ebantfu,
Mpangalala,
N­­khosi.
Sihlahla semanyeva sincutfwa ngemazembe ekubolekwa.
Ngwanya lowa buli ngonyama kwa vela ingwe. Wena lowa tfukutselisa Nkenyane batsi bayabhodla wagcuma wemela ngahlanye Basala ba bulalana bodvwa kwaze kwafa newekugcina kwa dala inhlekelele lenkhulu leyahlengwa ngema jabhane aka khobobo.. Bathe bambela Hlatshwako lithuna emihumeni, kantsi kuyongena bona.

IHUBO LESIZWE SAKWA HLATSHWAYO (Zulu):

“Wabulala amakhosi,ingwe yohlanga
Mana nkonyane yohlanga
“uNgwanya bamazi izwe lonke,izwe lonke
nkonyane yamaNgwanya bayethuka
Sokwa siwashise amankengane,sicwecwa­­ izizwe”

Gidinga usizo ngezthakazelo zakwa Zikalala plz!

Bocebisa emakhosi,siyinqaba.

I nid mre info abt hlatshwayo surname,i have an assignment on the history of hlatshwayo as it is my surname pls help family
pls contact me 0723732837 pls pls pls

SICELA UKULILALELA IHUBO LAKITHI,MAKE IT AN AUDIO

siyabonga ngololulwazi osicobelele ngalo

kodwa angizitholi izibongo nezithakazelo zakwaSHABANGU, kanye neSakwa MGAGA

Syabonga mfethu ngolwazi oscobelela lona.
Mina ngazi okuhlukile kulukhu okubhaliwe mayelana nokwakheka kwesibongo uHlatshwayo edabuka Ku Nkosi.

sbonge
Mhayise omhlophe qwa njengehlabathi zolwandle ngolwazi osicobelela
ngalo sithi unwele olude lapho Ngelengele ume njalo uqhubeke ubasize
nabanye ubachazele ngomlanda wakithi Mhayise Ngelengele

Am rili happy to gt mor infor abt who I’m ed whr am cmng frm as MHAYISe irilly iappreciate dt

I am from mozambique gaza macia
my grand father was a chief of place called kamutlabwe he’s name. Rehano. The only thing I still recalls is songandaba ghovhanilhatswayo. Can it be by any bet we are lhatswayo.
if yes help me to understand and to know my isibongo and isithakazelo please

Siyabonga mhayise omhlophe ngokusifunza ngemvelaphi yethu ume njalo

Nina izithakazelo engizaziyo . UHLATSHWAYO, mahayise , ngwanya, ngelamuthi,wogama, kwasha kama kwasala iziphunzi,zasala zibaloyanisa nina baka siyanomthwalo katshabalala ,siyendane

Ukhokho; Magadamphefu Eshade no NaThabethe umkhulu uGagade eshade no Namfusi. Izingane uNomathemba, uNkosana, bhubhane, noNomasotho. Basuka emahasoni. Manje sesahlala eheidelberg nase Evanton.

Ukhulu wathi ungida egoge yinto eyayisho ubuzimuzimu. Bathi amadodana Kahlatshwayo waxabana lo omdala wathutha nomama ongama lakhe kwakunguKhobongwane bayohlala ehlathikhulu lapho abantu babethi uma bedlula bekathi ngida egogeni khobongwane umuntu asindwe yizinyawo bambambe bamundle. Wathi kungakho bebathi oHlatshwayo amabhengetha.

thanks mhayise ngolwazi so can i ask if there is imihlangano yamahayise somewhere mhlambe nami ngizo zama ukuthi ngibe inxenye yayo

Mhayise..mabhengeta….ka Hlatswayo akuvalwa ngemivalo kuvalwa ngamakhandza emadvodsa…..siyabonga kakhulu singo Mhayise!!!!

Thank you it is awesome,this is what we need in an era which is dominated by western culture and influence.Please paste more of anything you have found from oral/written history .
I am Nyalungu Hlatshwayo Mbetse(Mbethe) born from the clan of Madzovo,Ridonga,Matikwana,Bandi,Khakheni who is my grandfather born around the Lower Sabie area in the now Kruger National Park around 1885. and My research has pointed to Ngizwangendaba grand grand parent who I am told was a warrior who fled the wars of Shaka Zulu through Mozambique,afterwhich some of his descendants went to Swaziland while some through to South Africa.We are at Bushbuckridge(Mkhuhlu and surrounding areas including Acornhoek).Anyone with more information please post what you have and lets celebrate our rich heritage.Nyalungu,Hlatshwayo ,Mbetse

Mina ngiyabonga ngalolulwazi esilotholayo,bengingazi ukuthi sihloniphana nobani.Thina esiphila manje siyatha/wa kwa Nkosi noDlamini ngoba yibona okhokho bethu labo?

I am Sherrington Kuyayabo (Kuyabo) Hlatshwayo. A descendant of the group that came through Mozambique with Soshangane and I was made to understand that my grand father was Kuyayabo a worrior in Ngungunyana’s army. My father grew up an arphan and told us very little about our history. As a young boy an old lady living near us used to mention names like : Mahlabelakudhe,Magwazangothi,Ndhlukula, Mafuleke and a few others which she said were the line of the Hlatshwayos from Swaziland . I was born in the then Southern Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) 70 years ago and grew up as a Ndau boy. I therefore do not speak any other language except a bit of English and Ndau. I am very very interested to know my /our roots. I was very touched with your narration but could hardly understand fully. Any chance of you putting all this and your future research in English ?

l am Nyalunga “Mbethe”. I am no more worried whether the spelling is Nyalunga/u “Mbetse or Mbethe”. My main worry is to know the family “praises”(izibongo); whether it be in Zulu,Swati or Shangani. Any one out there, please help. Mbethe

Ngiyabonga mahayise nine eningavali ngemivalo enivalangema khandza amadvodza i’ll truly apprecite dis as i fnd out more abt my history nd my root i hve gained more knowlegde nine bekunene ngele ngele

sengathi singahlangana sonke isizwe socebisa

Nina beKnene angbonge ukthola ulwazi ukwandisa emgodleni lenginawo

cobo lwami ngya bonga ukuvha isbongo sakitshi njengoba bengise emuvha ngelwimi labo mama amashangane.

Kunjani mfethu kunobukhosi bemaNgwanya dundonalt (mpumalanga) ngiyafisa nekwati lelihubo lakitsi

am so happy to have gained so much knowledge about my surname. Ngiyabonga bo Ngwane. Ngele ngele

Ngicela ningithumelele indlela okuculwa ngayo ihubo lakithi kwaHlatshwayo,from bheki xulu(ozalwa uHlatshwayo ongubaba wami)

I’m happy that we still have people who are ready to find a lot about our history, My surname is known as Xihlahla in Tsonga which is said to be a nguni surname Sihlahla, it is said to be related to Hlathikhulu, Muthimukhulu n others I will be very glad to here much about Sihlahla clan.

Ngaze ngaytholi mvelaph yam namuhl kudal ngfuna ukwaz ngayo i am Swazelihle

ngyabonga ukwazi imvelaphi yakithi yasemandulo ngyanithanda nonke maswazi amahle nonke ezweni

Plz inform us of any meetings of the Hlatshwayo clan. I have once attended the meeting.

kuyathokozisa engikuzwa ngomlando wakithi.futhi ngiyakukholwa.

Very interesting indeed. Need to hear more about Nyalungu/Mbete, Hlatswayo

I am a proud Hlatywayo ,happy to know where we originate ,thanks guys for the information

From what l have heard from my from Chief Velamuva who is a brother to my father’s grandfather, the Hlatshwayos come from the Dlaminis through Prince Cebisa Dlamini (Nkhosi). Prince Cebisa is King Mswati I’s brother. He left Swaziland to get a wife from the Zulus. He got his first wife in Pongola and built his home there. His second home was built at Mkhunyane (Commondale, not far from Paulpietersburg) for his second wife. He built his home at a place called Bergville (near New Castle) for his third wife. It was when he was at Bergville that he decided to visit home (Swaziland) to show his family some of his children. When Cebisa arrived home, there was ‘sibhimbi’ (some kind of celebration in the royal kraal (in the Shiselweni Region). During that celebration, King Mswati saw his brother Cebisa’s beautiful daughter and took her as wife and then told him that he is no more a Nkhosi but a Hlatshwayo because ‘usemhlabile’ (stabbed him) by taking his daughter as one of his wives (a practice that is common among Swazi kings since they are not Dlaminis or Nkhosis but ‘Bayethes.’). This made Prince Cebisa very angry that he left immediately for South Africa and remained there until his death. His tomb is on a mountain not far from Commondale.

The lineage of the Hlatshwayos at Gege is as they are put but Mleshe’s son is not Mahubhu but Mahubhulu, who came to Swaziland and joined King Mswati II’s regiment and made himself a name there since he was a man of valour (ingwazi). After realizing his victories in war, the king gave him his brother Prince Lukhwabitsi’s daughter as one of his wives and asked Chief Mshengu of eMashobeni (in the Shiselweni Region) a piece of land for him. This is the land which is occupied by the Hlatshwayos at Gege. It covers the land from the Mahamba-Piet Retief road next to Mahamba border gate to Ndlotane river near Magubheleni.

Since a princess can not be ruled by a commoner, Mahubhulu became chief in his land. By that time Mahubhulu was a very old man but at such an old age his new wife commonly called ‘laLukhwabitsi’ gave birth to a son, ‘Velamuva,’ thus named because he was of his half-brothers’ grandchildren’s ages. After Mahubhulu’s death, Velamuva became chief of the area, and the place is also called, ‘eMlindazwe’ because Mahubhulu said he was keeping watch over it for Chief Mshengu of eMashobeni who was ‘insila yeNkhosi Mswati.’

The ‘izithakazelo’ for the Gege Hlatshwayos differ from those of the other Hatshwayos. I will write them the way l was taught by some of my elders:-

Hlatshwayo, Mhayise, Ngwanya, Cebisa wengwenyama lowacebisa emakhosi, Mabhengeta, Matsintsane lowatsintsa intsanga yakhe eMfabela watsi tinyawo tenkhosi yetfu tonakele, toniwe kusindza kukhala kumasoka, batsi Ngwanya wondzile kantsi Ngwanya ukhahlelekile, Ngwanya akangakanani ngobe nentsendzeni yesandla angahlala, Ngwanya lowabhula ingwe kwavuka ingwenyama, Ngwanya lomuhle wakalaMlobela.

Chief

Hi all,I would like to know the difference between the Nene clan & the Kunene clan because I’m really confused the origins of my people, thank you

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Nyalung
Mbetse
Bulongo betinkomo
Uma tiya emhlangeni
Ti tsi:mhoo!
Khahlabeza be Sotho
Sihlangu
Lesalwe ngu ngwane
Ngu ngwane
Siciba lesi ngahlalwa
Nyoni ingahlala
Iyayela phelekezela
Inyatsi iye ka
Mayipha ,nine bo
Mgango muhle ,
Bolevu ezimhlophe
Njengama shobe
Etinkoma
Nyalunga mbetse
By Bheki Mduduzi Nyalunga
Kabokweni

Thank you for the latest historical background and latest posts with praises well done .more posts please we are becoming more enlightened Nyalungu,Mbethe,(Mbetse),Hlatshwayo

I AM NOMFUNDO HLATSHWAYO ,JUST WANT TO SAY AM VERY HAPPY TO KNOW MY ROOTS AS HAYISE . ALL I WANT TO KNOW IS THAT DOES THE HLATSHWAYO HAVE ANY CULTERE TO FOLLOW AS THEY GROW. AKE NGITHI NJE NGIJABULE KAKHUKU FOTHI NGIYA ZIQENYA NGOKUBA WAKWA HLATSHWAYO

Lindokuhle Hlatshwayo from Standerton ngibonga ukwaz izithakazelo zam kudala ngitshelwa okungaasizo

its good to know that i have i brother is south Africa

Ngingu Majaha Hlatshwayo umtukulu wa matokilihlane lotalwa ngula sacolo Bana sitimane bavela enquthu.

Okunye ngiyahambisana nakho kodwa okungye kuyaphuma kimi ngokolwazi lami, nophando englwenzile, ngokozalo ikakhulu olwase Kzn, umkhunyane, Dumbe ne Nquthu. Ngyethemba iqiniso sizolithola elifanayo. ihubo langapha liyehluka kancane kuleli kepha thina e Dumbe nabase Mkhunyane nabase Nquthu silicula ngokufana ngyofisa ngwanya sike sixhumane no Nqobile Hlatshwayo wase Swaziland ngnesiqiniseko unawo ama details angasisiza sonke, bese ng cela nawe silekelelane ngonyaka wokuzalwa kwa Syendane

Dumisa Hlatshwayo ka Sipho ka Zaba ka Ndumanduma ka Dodomba.

Ngelengele!!!

Umlando wethu uyadida kanye namakhosi ethu athulile ngalesizwe esihle samaHayise. Ngichaza ukuthi singami endaweni eyodwa futhi sazi ukuthi sikhonza kwamaphi amakhosi kulezwe. Masihlangane isizwe madoda futhi sibambisane, ngisho uHlatshwayo Eswazini, eMpumalanga, eZimbwabe, eMozambique,KwaZulu, eSoshangane kanye nase Goli imbala. Sizalwa isende elilodwa manje kwamele sihlanganise isizwe. kwamele sibuyele emakhosini ethu siyenze umhlangano wethu.

Mhayise wakho Langa. Cebisa amakhosi
Ngelemuthi…

Hello to everybody I would like to know more about my clan aboMaphosa because it is said that uHlatshwayo is our ultimate ancestor and he begot uMgamezulu who then started the Maphosa surname,by the way I am swati

Ngicela ningifakela izithakazelo noma izibongo ezihambelana no Mhlongo bakwethu

Ngiyacela nina be Nguni ngicela onolwazi ngesibongo sakwa Makhwasa umsuka waso nomake onolwazi oluncane ngingaluthokozela kakhulu

At last I know who am I and I know where am going.Thank you very much about this fruitful information of my forefathers and my ancestors of the greatest surname Hlatshwayo.

Personally i know about all these versions and some of the history from many elders i have gathered information from, and when they tell you about this history they would always emphasise that anything else is not true. So would i be wrong by concluding that these are just man made theories without evidence hence there is no one who come with one history containing some form of proof without these many VERSIONS. This word tells me a lot about many people who are happy about this with no questions asked. Yes i do know that we originally come from Swaziland, but really guys im not happy about how people tell their own VERSION History on how we came about here in South Africa and the Origin of our Surname

The Hlatshwayo can also be written as Hlatshwa or HalaTshwa – indicating the meeting of 2 tribes. The Tshwa is the Tswa tribe of the Tsonga (Tsonga actually means Tswa+Ronga (pronounced Dzonga). The other tribe that forms part of the name is the Hala – AmaHala or AmaHla or AmaDla are part of the Makua or Makwa clan that came from a Sibiya lady and your common ancestor, Chaluba or Qelebe or Calubi or Caleb, the son of Mzolo/Mtolo/Zulu or Ezlon/Hesron, who is the son of Judah and a twin (with Zela/Zera/Zila/Zorka/Zonga or Dzonga, son of Judah), the sons of . Makwa also has another clan where his wife was Naara or Naala or Nwala – this gave rise to the name Vanwa’nathi – the second part I suspect because they mixed with Mntungwa or Maonathi or the Velanathi priests or Amalevu – not sure yet. The Sibiya do have a praise line that says “iNkomo esengelw’ emaweni (maoeni), yasengelwa esibayeni, akusiyona eyakhona.”

Tswa comes form the older brother of Mzolo/Zulu/Msolo/Msolwa/Mtolo, called Sela or Sera or Silo or Shilo or Shela or Shera. You might know them as Gasela or Ga-Sera which are the people we call AbaTwa (Central Africa) or AbaThwa (Southern Africa). There are lots more ways this surname is written such as Shilo, Mashilo, Mashiloane etc. Shilo’s mother was called Aaliyah, daughter of Sue or Swa or Shewa or Shuwa, the Canaanite or Umncanana). The Twas came down from Mozambique and occupied KZN as the Mthethwa clans and their associated Xhosa, Sotho and Tsonga Tswa tribes.

USibiya is actually quite a big clan for us Bantus. The women of Sibiya have kept us going for quite a while as the daughters of Sibiya have intermarried to produce a lot of families. The line goes like this. Abraham, begat, Isaac, Isaac begat Jacob/Israel/Isahel/Isahle, Israel begat Judah/Dumisa, who begat, Hesron/Ezron or Hesoron or Hezoron or Hetolon or Hezulun = Zulu, who begat Caleb/Chalubai or Celebe or Calubi, who married Abia or Sibiya or Mabiya to produce Thecua or Thekwa (Makua) who then marries Naara on one side and has issue and then marries Halaa on the other side and gives birth to sons: Sereth/Seleth – mSelethi/Sereti, Isaar (so you have HalaBisaar or Hlabisa (Mgabhi and Mugabe also come from here as Mga Bisaya) and Ethnan or Hala + Ethnan = Hlathi which can be written as Khathi.

In Africa, the Twa are part of the Swa people who then make up one third of the Mbuti or Phuthi setup. The other part are Efe and Asua or Asuati. These are tribes in Central Africa. Just google it. On the other hand, the Makua are all over Africa and the world as they were the most-traded slaves in Southern Africa. Most South Africans of this group are released slaves of the 1600s to 1900s AD. Some were some of the 65,000 slaves that were brought to cape Town by the Dutch and British, often from other places assuming that they did not come from here. Some came from India, people of dark-skin and some of mixed race who claim to be indian or coloured or white today. The Phuthi fall under the Tlokwa or Hlongwa hold with strong routes in Zululand, North West (Zulus calling themselves Tswanas) and Mozambique.

The Makua/Makwa are also part of the Mijikenda (a social-military-political arrangement in Kenya-Tanzania where we have a lot of tribes that have our history in better quality) which consists of nine clans made up of the:
1. Makua – who Mjikenda claim have Mozambican 1400s AD origin.
2. Diko (or Dingo as in the Mandingos – the historians say they only exist in West Africa, wrong – The Bhaca in particular claim this line and they also claim they come from Ntombela KaZulu.
3. Kamba – hidden treasures of Africa. Widely known as Bhayi (the tribe of PE), Mamba (Mkhize and Mbulazi Tungwa clan), Mbai (Zim), Nyai (Zim and Moz), Pai (Pedi and Zim), Mumbai (as Kadamba and the remnant tribes) – a city in india – it gives you the clearest detail of the hidden nature of who we are – India is about half black or mixed with negroes like myself the ones that came here are just white people that have mixed with us and then just mixed with themselves. If they mix with white people only, they will eventually turn white again over 2-3 generations. No one is telling us, WHY? These 3 make up a lot of the tribes in South Africa, regardless of language. Language in fact is inconsequential. If we had to ignore language and looked at facts. Blacks in South Africa would claim that close to 90% are Zulu or Israelites (if they knew the info).

To verify my details, use the Douay Rheims catholic Bible and read chronicles from start to finish and make notes. Also read up on tribes from other countries and compare to our praise names. You can just google them. But be sensible and use intra-Bantu language rules. For instance, Mpemba = Bemba = Kamba = Kadamba and then go in and verify this and move on.

The last thing is that Mtolo gave birth to Chaluba who gave birth to Hur (Chaluba had 6 wives and a lot of children – it’s all in the Bible). Hur in South Africa is called Hulu or Hulubi or Hlubi or Hurutse-Khuluse or simply Khulu or Ngulu or Kuru as in Kurumane, who was Mzilikazi’s son. In the rest of Africa he was called Kru or Kuyu as in Gikuyu (a Kenyan tribe that has the same surnames, customs and are carbon copies of us and us them – especially the Sothos but they do not claim to be Sothos- it is prudent to note that some in Kenya and neighboring Uganda-Burundi-Rwanda do claim to be Huthu which = Suthu. Before the break-up, to cut a VERY long story short, the Hlubi used to travel or have politically governing association with the Sela-Sua and the Zonga-Asua or ASwati and they were called by Sela’s first born’s name HerHer or Helehele or Ngelengele. Her means merciful and gracious, referring to God. This is seen in my name Siphesihle or Siphesihele (you’ll find Siph or Sipha or Zepho – meaning gift, to be a Biblical name) in its original form. But Hele is also written as Tele or Tle or even Tre, Ger or Gele or Ngelengele or Gere or Jere or Here etc. – this is why Gere is a big surname with Bantu and it means the opposite of Jail. In SA you see it as the showing of one of the largest black polity – the Mmutle Koena or the Mvundla(ne) Sotho-Zulu clan. Let’s also not lose that Satle or Sahel also means Israel which means: “You have contended with man and you have contended with Angel, therefore God has been gracious and merciful to you.” The false Hebrews who write about it now, do not understand the last part. If you read about how they interpret the Bible, you will find out how much guess-work is involved. I find that I can understand some sections better because I understand Nguni and Zulu. Jacob had wrestled all night with an Angel and indeed anyone who can even talk to an Angel has God’s grace and mercy. He wrestled the Angel THE WHOLE NIGHT!

Enough said?

I agree with you Linda. I totally disagree with what Mr Zwane has said.

CAN A HLATSHWAYO MARRY A DLAMINI?
Yes, a Hlatshwayo can marry a Dlamini. In fact many Dlaminis and Hlatshwayos in both Swaziland and South Africa has intermarried.

CONCERNING MY LINEAGE>
i am syill to consult with my elders to find out about my lineage (our lineage from Mahubhulu to earlier times; if ever possible.

What i want to knw mina zikalala fika njani ka Hlatshwayo

Ngicela owazi ihubo lwaka HLATSHWAYO

Ntokozo Hlatshwayo from Zimbabwe …I family yethu yiyo kuphela eyakwahlatshwayo ezim….ngijabula kakhulu ukuthola imvelaphi yethu …